ZPS Update - Sneak Peek

[Tatsur0]

Here's a sneak peak of the upcoming patches we'll be releasing for ZPS now that we've filled in the team more-

Playtester and ZPS Fan Teaser Vid of Teacups (For Amusement purposes only)
http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_fanmade_teaser_preview.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4snfDJJvfQ)

We've finally given in! Will be revealing more over time!
http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/moddb/moty2010/ZPS_Achievements_Mockup_01_th.jpg (http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/moddb/moty2010/ZPS_Achievements_Mockup_01.jpg)

ZPS_Underground
http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground01_th.jpg (http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground01.jpg) http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground02_th.jpg (http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground02.jpg)
http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground03_th.jpg (http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground03.jpg) http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground04_th.jpg (http://www.zombiepanic.org/media/august2010_media/zps_underground04.jpg)

As promised we stayed up till 7:30am to make sure it was available Friday for the rest of the world! We will be posting more news again shortly and revealing more. We would also like to point out that instead of massive updates we'll be attempting to put out smaller updates more often.

-ZP Development Team

[TheGreekDollmaker]

Hey,the new update looks freakin awesome.

A few notes:

1.The choice of music in the game reminded me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DCFPS58KYY

2.Zps Underground? First of all isnt a map already named like this?

Also i have been thinking of naming a map like this :3

3.Achievements?Not terribly excite and definetly not a fan.

[slayersarge]

Yay oh please oh please make new gun update releases

[Wazanator]

1.The choice of music in the game reminded me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DCFPS58KYY


Thats not in game music

[MsX]

Thank yours guys, we wait for this a long time :)

Really thanks for work and thank you for this and for all the undertaken work! Have a great time in development! :) :) :)

[rwlnd1987]

new zombie hands?

[Some_weirdGuy]

new zombie hands?

YAY :D

[Gradius]

Okay new zombie hands and maybe a few new survivor models/weapons. Is zombie vision fixed yet then? How about weapon distribution... the UI... game balance? Any of that... touched?

[rwlnd1987]

also, zps is able to be played on the mac?

[MsX]

also, zps is able to be played on the mac?

May be, cuz it's supporting for a half-life 2 and any source mac users :smile:

New zombie hands?

[ummmmm-tiki]

2.Zps Underground? First of all isnt a map already named like this?

Also i have been thinking of naming a map like this :3

Someone was going to make a map with that name, but I think he changed it. Other then that map I don't know of any others.

And I guess you might want to think of a different name. :/

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Great post XD

[TheGreekDollmaker]

Someone was going to make a map with that name, but I think he changed it. Other then that map I don't know of any others.

And I guess you might want to think of a different name. :/

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Great post XD

I know i should have copyrighted the name XD

[[AUS] Midnight]

Wow, Always appreciate the hard work you put into this mod.

Achievements, new zombie hands, new maps and I am pretty sure that the zombie in that video was the waitress, she sure looks different.

[dogbert]

haha loving the teacups vid :D

looking forward to the update, great work guys and thanks :) :)

[Jonny]

... Achievements? Not terribly excite and definetly not a fan. ...

Jepp, ... me too. Achievements! :wacko: Thats a "must have" for every game today. Only thing I hope is that they made it this way that it support more standard zps gameplay and not cabin/church/lake gameplay like "kill 20/40/60 zombies with a revolver".

Can you make achievements only available for standard maps?

[FlyGemma]

Ooh, that'll mean Scramble Pit and my server won't be unique for having achievements anymore then, :D!

[UpiR]

so when it will be released? :o

[Draco122]

Achievement idea: Failure
- Play on a Cabin/Lake map

Anyway, sweet sneak peak somehow I can't estimate how much awesome this is going to be

[ZPSFrEaK]

that are gooood news! :D

[Tatsur0]

Some of the veterans already know a few of our plans for achievements as well as some of the achievements planned. I will be revealing our new achievement icons and descriptions soon as well as our plans for how they're awarded which should resolve some concerns. I think I've made it clear i'm not a huge fan of achievements but it has been requested for some time since we released on steamworks, you're free to ignore achievements as I do or take them as a challenge.

Veterans please do not reveal information :)

Tats...

[MsX]

Some of the veterans already know a few of our plans for achievements as well as some of the achievements planned. I will be revealing our new achievement icons and descriptions soon as well as our plans for how they're awarded which should resolve some concerns. I think I've made it clear i'm not a huge fan of achievements but it has been requested for some time since we released on steamworks, you're free to ignore achievements as I do or take them as a challenge.

Veterans please do not reveal information :)

Tats...

awesome :)

[AceOfSpades]

Sound's pretty cool. Time to grind some achievements!

[Ranma]

LOLOLOL! Ranma's going for a spin!


Now you guys can shut up about ZP:S being dead. We've been working hard and listening to many of you blather on about how we're not doing any work and ZP:S is dead. Now you know what you've been saying is not true. Want to apologize to the ZP:S devs?

[violentcrimes]

Want to apologize to the ZP:S devs?

No. They are meanies with little weenies.

Also, because Gradius's post was moved to the I&S thread where it belongs here is a link to that thread - http://www.zombiepanic.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15703 (which will help others understand the quotes posted below).

[toper997]

Gradius, I agree with you with the L4D vision style.
But I want is new animations, very cool animations :D It's only i want, the new aniomations would make this mod more cool and scary ofcourse. The zombie animation attack always make me laugh heh :laugh:

[rwlnd1987]

you want want want, like everyone else. just be happy with something you get, its always better than nothing.

but i have to say the knock back could be weakened a bit.. :D

[Gradius]

Animations need an animator, that's a valid excuse, but basic gameplay issues that have gone unsolved since the steamworks release? That's kind of poor. Don't get me wrong, its not very "wow thats amazing" work but I consider it the stuff that matters, the peas and carrots of a mod. If this mod is just the cheap candy bar afterwards then it feels dead inside to me.

I did enjoy it immensely, it can still be enjoyed, there are still many good points and some good things being put in but it just feels... like it isnt living up to its potential.

[Wazanator]

Gradious what official maps have vents?
The only official map that has a possibility of a impenetrable cade is the front door on harvest which is easy enough to get around.

And I strongly disagree about melee weapons. Give me a pan and some armor and Ill go one on one with the carrier.

As for the zombie vision thing. It is up to the mapper to put lights in his/her map that allows zombies to see in darker places. EArkham has been generous enough to provide light prefabs which includes a zombie light that lights up an area just barely, but lights it enough that zombies can see.

[Gradius]

subway, top of my head.

[Ranma]

Easy to fix gameplay flaws like ....

Zombies still spend 90% of the round either wandering around looking for humans or getting ak'd to death by a pack of humans while they slowly slowly wear down their ammo. Duh... zombies are SUPPOSED to go wander around and look for survivors. And if they get "AK'd to death" they need more practice at the game. You can't pin bad players on us.

The carrier still has no way to command his fellow zombies despite his obvious potential use as a zombie coordinator (keep in mind that if it isnt an icon on the screen the mute majority of zps players wont pay attention).
You want us to give the carrier power to put an icon on the screen in an attempt to direct the zombie team? You've been playing too many RTS's if you think directing other players by using waypoints is a good idea while playing an FPS. There are already waypoints in ZPO maps, and on ZPS maps type or use a mic and tell them where to go. If they don't follow your instruction they probably don't have a concept of teamwork and wouldn't follow a waypoint either.

Barricades still dont take physics damage from any props they're supporting making them extremely useful in making inpenetrable barricades if you know the right way.Is this a complaint? Yes, 5 points of physics damage to a plank of wood is going to have such a BIG effect on gameplay. -_-

Zombies are still very disadvantaged against vent campers.What do you want us to do? Remove the vents from our maps?


The flashlight doesnt flicker it when operating normally, only when its about to go out, you're loosing out on a lot of tension there.You must have a pretty crappy flashlight if it's always flickering on you. My flashlights only flicker when they start to run out.

Melee weapons are still virtually useless
You can't use a melee weapon so you call it useless? I ALWAYS carry a melee weapon on me at all times. Personally I'd prefer I choose a melee weapon over a pistol, for a secondary weapon. If you don't like melee weapons that's a personal issue; we don't need to take action.

[violentcrimes]

http://www.zombiepanic.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15703

There are all good points you should probably post this in idea and suggestions instead of the news. I am not going to mention what stuff we are currently working on but just because it is not mentioned in the news post doesn't mean we are not working on it. Until the update is released please keep your complaints about us not fixing blah blah to yourself. If you have ideas please post them in Ideas and Suggestion Thread this is not the right place for your ideas & complaints.

[Gradius]

Is this a complaint? Yes, 5 points of physics damage to a plank of wood is going to have such a BIG effect on gameplay. -_-

What do you want us to do? Remove the vents from our maps?


You must have a pretty crappy flashlight if it's always flickering on you. My flashlights only flicker when they start to run out.


So wandering around aimlessly without seeing an opposing player is part of the fun?
Oooookay. You're odd.

1. Yes it would, watch how plays on stuff like cabin and churchseige would suddenly get ~~~~ed when they could no longer keep their physics objects pinned against doorways with just one hammer.

2. No, a simple alteration of zombies' movement physics would do. I've heard devs use the argument that they shouldn't have to accomidate "cheap" players but in that case maybe we should just remove the auto-switch-to-zombie and expect players to do so out of ettiquette and have admins ban them if they dont?

Rather than limit mappers I'd rather see that doing such a thing doesnt unbalance the game for players, thats part of the reason I dislike the current implementation of zombie vision.

3. Well actually... yes. The flashlight next to me probably has a few hours of charge left in it and it flickers like crazy. You think the survivors had time to rush to the stores to buy new batteries and bulbs? The flashlights in game only have 2-5 minutes of charge before they go out... have you ever used a flashlight with 2-5 minutes of charge? It aint bright.

The majority of what I said has already been posted in the ideas forum months ago anyway.

[Tatsur0]

So wandering around aimlessly without seeing an opposing player is part of the fun?
Oooookay. You're odd.

1. Yes it would, watch how plays on stuff like cabin and churchseige would suddenly get ~~~~ed when they could no longer keep their physics objects pinned against doorways with just one hammer.

2. No, a simple alteration of zombies' movement physics would do. I've heard devs use the argument that they shouldn't have to accomidate "cheap" players but in that case maybe we should just remove the auto-switch-to-zombie and expect players to do so out of ettiquette and have admins ban them if they dont?

Rather than limit mappers I'd rather see that doing such a thing doesnt unbalance the game for players, thats part of the reason I dislike the current implementation of zombie vision.

3. Well actually... yes. The flashlight next to me probably has a few hours of charge left in it and it flickers like crazy. You think the survivors had time to rush to the stores to buy new batteries and bulbs? The flashlights in game only have 2-5 minutes of charge before they go out... have you ever used a flashlight with 2-5 minutes of charge? It aint bright.

The majority of what I said has already been posted in the ideas forum months ago anyway.

Gradius,
We often peruse the I&S thread and are currently working on the fixes we believe should be implemented. If your I&S's have not yet been addressed you'll just have to be patient. As to avoid spam and off topic discussions please use the appropriate forums in the future. ZPS is far from dead and still the #1 played HL2 mod for a reason. We appreciate your enthusiasm and hopefully our latest changes will improve your own personal outlook on things in the future.

Tats...

[Faizan]

hmm the video reminds me of Dr.robots map Thrillvile . Glad to see public updates ^_^

[Von_Glug]

Very cool. Thanks for the update.:D

[TheGreekDollmaker]

1. Yes it would, watch how plays on stuff like cabin and churchseige would suddenly get ~~~~ed when they could no longer keep their physics objects pinned against doorways with just one hammer.
e

Your actually using Cabin and Church Siege as examples...


What the ~~~~ is wrong with you.

[Cannabis Corpse]

So wandering around aimlessly without seeing an opposing player is part of the fun?
Oooookay. You're odd.

1. Yes it would, watch how plays on stuff like cabin and churchseige would suddenly get ~~~~ed when they could no longer keep their physics objects pinned against doorways with just one hammer.

2. No, a simple alteration of zombies' movement physics would do. I've heard devs use the argument that they shouldn't have to accomidate "cheap" players but in that case maybe we should just remove the auto-switch-to-zombie and expect players to do so out of ettiquette and have admins ban them if they dont?

Rather than limit mappers I'd rather see that doing such a thing doesnt unbalance the game for players, thats part of the reason I dislike the current implementation of zombie vision.

3. Well actually... yes. The flashlight next to me probably has a few hours of charge left in it and it flickers like crazy. You think the survivors had time to rush to the stores to buy new batteries and bulbs? The flashlights in game only have 2-5 minutes of charge before they go out... have you ever used a flashlight with 2-5 minutes of charge? It aint bright.

The majority of what I said has already been posted in the ideas forum months ago anyway.

Theres no need to have your flashlight on 24/7.

[rwlnd1987]

Theres no need to have your flashlight on 24/7.

why was that taken out again if it wasn't for realism? i don't know why you would have a flashlight that goes out so fast. and nothing was wrong with it anyways to really spend time to "update".

[Gradius]

Would you mind if I ask why you guys never discuss gameplay tweaks and improvements then?

Glitches, new/renovated maps, characters, and gamemodes I could understand you not saying much about but honestly I'd find "Hey this new version will include some fixes to zombie vision and UI tweaks" alot more interesting.

[Lolphag]

this might be the wrong place to ask... but how and where can i apply to be a playester?

[MsX]

Excuse me, but Dear Tats when it can expect an update? Approximately duration release time?

[Wazanator]

Excuse me, but Dear Tats when it can expect an update? Approximately duration release time?

If your planning a party around the release of the update I want an invite!

[Tatsur0]

Gradius: We do post change logs that address those very topics. We haven't yet posted them for this release but as I said before you'll have to be patient.

Lolphag: Correct, not the right place. We will be addressing this topic soon though.

Release Date: TBD (Soon hopefully. Do remember that we just recently reorganized the team and had some old members return. We are interested in smaller but more regular updates instead of waiting months for large content patches because people often forget it takes effort and our free time to get things done :)

I will try to offer something a bit more informative when I can. The whole team is working hard to keep bringing you a great gaming experience at no cost to you and we appreciate all the support some of you have shown us.

Cheers,
Tats...

[Tyman305]

"2. No, a simple alteration of zombies' movement physics would do. I've heard devs use the argument that they shouldn't have to accomidate "cheap" players but in that case maybe we should just remove the auto-switch-to-zombie and expect players to do so out of ettiquette and have admins ban them if they dont?"

If you're talking about the auto-teaming to zombies if nobody joins that team, then I dissagree with you more than ever. To start off with, if they never had that feature, ZPS would probably be dead due to excessive ingame flaming over who has to be the zombie or not, since a very small portion of us (including me) rarely like being a zombie.
Another point is that admins cannot be on the server 24/7 to ban players who refuse to join the zombie team. Again this would add to the death of ZPS, due to players constantly getting banned for a biased reason: not wanting to play as zombies. I feel you on the auto-balance, since I'm not fond of it happening to me myself, but if we didn't have it, would ZPS be anywhere close to what it is today? Sorry chap, but chances are that's something you'll just have to put up with.:zombo:

[MsX]

Gradius: We do post change logs that address those very topics. We haven't yet posted them for this release but as I said before you'll have to be patient.

Lolphag: Correct, not the right place. We will be addressing this topic soon though.

Release Date: TBD (Soon hopefully. Do remember that we just recently reorganized the team and had some old members return. We are interested in smaller but more regular updates instead of waiting months for large content patches because people often forget it takes effort and our free time to get things done :)

I will try to offer something a bit more informative when I can. The whole team is working hard to keep bringing you a great gaming experience at no cost to you and we appreciate all the support some of you have shown us.

Cheers,
Tats...

Thank you, and we will be waiting :)

[Robert Neville]

I like the concept of zps_underground.

It kinda makes up for the removal of zps_subway. A map with some flaws, not made for survival mode, but was still fun on a full server.

[Wafflewarrior7]

Zombie panic dev team... you made me so happy by announcing an update... so happy... you guys are the best, Please release soon!
ZPS IS source multiplayer..

[Lolphag]

soo its been a while.... ive lost hope :(

[Wafflewarrior7]

soo its been a while.... ive lost hope :(

Don't loose hope! it's either gonna come out within 2 weeks, or some time around halloween.:brow:

[frikazoyd]

Announcement never implies a timeframe. It just indicates that work has been done, and still is.

Don't assume to know when an update is coming out. Similarly, don't take a status update as "it's supposed to be out already". The announcement of new content looks much different. Lord knows that when I was in charge of releases, we didn't always make our deadlines.

[Wafflewarrior7]

Nono, but every zombie panic update since release has been around halloween, so one can speculate.

[frikazoyd]

Nono, but every zombie panic update since release has been around halloween, so one can speculate.

That's actually not true. If you look at http://www.zombiepanic.org/changelog.txt, you'll notice that most releases were NOT any time near Halloween. Only one came out ON Halloween, and the closest one after that is two weeks after. Everything else is pretty much scattershot.

If ZP had released an update once a year, the community would have left ages ago. Heck, six months and they call the mod dead already.

[Will2Tango]

Ha ha, Lolphag gave up after just two weeks :laugh:
soo its been a while.... ive lost hope :(
The Devs get alot of preasure dont they! IMO They can take their sweet time, look at what they have given us already... for Free! [Thanks Devs]
I've paid for games that have had less updates and not as frequent as ZPS.

[semitico]

Good afternoon guys, I wonder what will be updated in the wonderful zombie panic source, please, even if it is a new sneak peak, congratulations on great work in this great mod!

[Gen.Watson|HV|]

Announcement never implies a timeframe. It just indicates that work has been done, and still is.

Don't assume to know when an update is coming out. Similarly, don't take a status update as "it's supposed to be out already". The announcement of new content looks much different. Lord knows that when I was in charge of releases, we didn't always make our deadlines.

lol, yea I remember that! Send it in to Valve and wait!

[ZapTeR]

how long to wait? a new update?

[Faizan]

how long to wait? a new update?

Wait until steam says updating then you don't have to wait any longer
.

[ZapTeR]

When will the new update?
Tired of waiting, I find it easier to find another game

[Wazanator]

You can either:
A. Continue playing ZPS while you wait for the update
or
B. Go play a different game while waiting for the update

Saying things like "Well if you dont give me update now I'll just leave" dont work around here. You dont want the release of an update thats buggy do you?

[papermilk]

*This isn't the place for Ideas & Suggestions*

Tats...

[ZapTeR]

I play ZPS and wait for a long time for your update and can not wait
Tell me the approximate date of release

[Wazanator]

I play ZPS and wait for a long time for your update and can not wait
Tell me the approximate date of release

and like I said

You can either:
A. Continue playing ZPS while you wait for the update
or
B. Go play a different game while waiting for the update

Saying things like "Well if you dont give me update now I'll just leave" dont work around here. You dont want the release of an update thats buggy do you?

You can probably expect a release date after everything is ready to ship to Valve.

[lemi44]

It's already Saturday, maybe some information?

[Wazanator]

It's already Saturday, maybe some information?

Whats Saturday have to do with anything? :blink:

[Hero of None]

Whats Saturday have to do with anything? :blink:

kids are out of school and they have time to post questions?

[esJ]

^^ hero post lmao

[yoalex77]

I would also like to see the winchester do more damage, because there are times that the carrier will survive, and in real life 2 shots from a winchester would just murder a zombie

[Blitzy]

I would also like to see the winchester do more damage, because there are times that the carrier will survive, and in real life 2 shots from a winchester would just murder a zombie

Whoa whoa whoa. Zombies in REAL LIFE?! How did this news escape me?!

But on a sidenote, the Winchester does its job effectively IF you're using it correctly. And that's just further the range of a normal shotgun. The pellets on the Winchester are more tightly packed together, giving it more range and thus, giving you more distance.

[rwlnd1987]

the super shorty should have a faster fire rate than it does have. only holds 3 shells. winchester i dont think anyone uses unless they have too.

[Will2Tango]

the super shorty should have a faster fire rate than it does have. only holds 3 shells. winchester i dont think anyone uses unless they have too.
lol *failchester :laugh:
But used correctly it is capable of the most power in a single shot! (well sort of, using secondary fire, to fire both shells at once) shot for shot do you know of another gun capable of putting a carrier down in a single shot? Best having a pistol to finish him off just incase though! I play with players who would ditch even a remmy or AK in favour of a failchester?! what has the world come to? :blink:

[dogbert]

mock not the winchester, for it drips epicness from every molecule...

in the correct hands it is devastating :brow:

[Will2Tango]

mock not the winchester, for it drips epicness from every molecule...

in the correct hands it is devastating :brow:

Agreed, 1 on 1 Nothing else comes close! 350 Damage :P

[Wafflewarrior7]

Winchester is BOMB. The only people who hesitate to use it are the same whom panic at the begining of rounds, and attempt to ninja melee zombies.
Now, on to MY comment:
To the regards of the Zombie panic!:Source team,
Please do release the new Zombie Panic update soon, as it looks very impressive, and I'm very anxious to play it. Perhaps sometime in October? Please do not delay it because of my suggestion- I mean nothing but the best.

[zombok master]

lol *failchester :laugh:
But used correctly it is capable of the most power in a single shot! (well sort of, using secondary fire, to fire both shells at once) shot for shot do you know of another gun capable of putting a carrier down in a single shot? Best having a pistol to finish him off just incase though! I play with players who would ditch even a remmy or AK in favour of a failchester?! what has the world come to? :blink:

remmy can put a normal zombi down in single shot and whitey too, and you don't need to doubleshot a whitey with winchester to get him down either

[DanD]

Agreed, 1 on 1 Nothing else comes close! 350 Damage :P

Really? 350? I knew it did some serious damage, but I didn't know it was that high.

[DanD]

Whoa whoa whoa. Zombies in REAL LIFE?! How did this news escape me?!

But on a sidenote, the Winchester does its job effectively IF you're using it correctly. And that's just further the range of a normal shotgun. The pellets on the Winchester are more tightly packed together, giving it more range and thus, giving you more distance.

I thought I remember somewhere in the past the devs saying something to the effect that the zombies were the only thing you had to suspend your disbelief for. Im too lazy to search for it, so feel free to correct me if Im wrong.

So, assuming I'm correct, and that the weapons are supposed to be realistic, I'd say they're pretty well balanced. There are a lot of different types of shotgun loads so its hard to say that definitely you could completely take a zombies head off with 1 12G round, but whatever the load it wouldnt be pretty.

[frikazoyd]

Really? 350? I knew it did some serious damage, but I didn't know it was that high.

I don't remember the actual numbers, but I think the damage per pellet is 14, and there are 7 pellets per shell. Headshots do 1.5x damage to zombies I think.

So, if all 14 pellets hit the head (7 pellets * 2 shells), you're looking at:
14*14 = 196
196*1.5 = 294

I could be wrong on the numbers though. The pellets could be 8 now, the damage per pellet could be 15, and the head damage could be 2x. But none of that matters really. With the conservative numbers, a doubleshot with the Winchester is enough to take out a carrier. You just have to be close enough so that all the pellets hit the head hitbox. Heck, if you are careful and aim a bit low, only 7 of the pellets have to hit him in the head.

[IIIsergyIII]

When will be a new content? Reassure our concern with new information.
And we can safely wait another couple of months :laugh:

sorry for my english. I am from Russia

[rwlnd1987]

the date is halloween 2011


kidding...

[ZapTeR]

No! Release update is today halloween day

[DanD]

I don't remember the actual numbers, but I think the damage per pellet is 14, and there are 7 pellets per shell. Headshots do 1.5x damage to zombies I think.

So, if all 14 pellets hit the head (7 pellets * 2 shells), you're looking at:
14*14 = 196
196*1.5 = 294

I could be wrong on the numbers though. The pellets could be 8 now, the damage per pellet could be 15, and the head damage could be 2x. But none of that matters really. With the conservative numbers, a doubleshot with the Winchester is enough to take out a carrier. You just have to be close enough so that all the pellets hit the head hitbox. Heck, if you are careful and aim a bit low, only 7 of the pellets have to hit him in the head.

Interesting, thanks for the numbers. I've decided long ago I was going to suspend my disbelief when it comes to ammo loads in this game (mostly the rifle ammo conglomeration) but having a double 12g to the head taking down whitey sounds about right.

It's also tough because shotgun pellet velocity drops off dramatically with distance compared to a rifle cartridge

The pellets will do far less damage at distance than a rifle round will, which I don't think occurs in the source engine, so I assume you'd have to use some average damage which would be underpowered at close range and overpowered at long range. For your limitations, I don't think the damages are too far off.

[papermilk]

Just remember this game was very unbalanced. Don't make it to hard for the zombies ;)

[slayersarge]

Heya ZPS team I'm looking forward to the next update just as much as everyone else. But I really hope there could be a few animation fixes along with the new content that looks so good. Still my largest look out would be a X2 damage percentage on melee weapon hits to the head. Melee should always be a useful item given any situation even if these zombies are very tough to kill with even that of a 9mm handgun. Please update melee system I'll heavily look forward to that and anything else new be it a new gun, new map, or complete conversion.

I'll be watching by Halloween for any updates about ZPS

[IIIsergyIII]

3 days
-))))

[frikazoyd]

Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up about Halloween.


Still my largest look out would be a X2 damage percentage on melee weapon hits to the head.

I can't remember what the issue was here, but we always intended for melee to do more head damage. I think the issue is mainly something with the hitboxes?

[Wazanator]

I don't think I've ever seen melee weapons do headshot damage in a source game.

[EArkham]

I'm pretty sure I've headshot zombies in L4D2 with melee. At least, they gib like they were headshot.

Kep

[Wazanator]

I'm pretty sure I've headshot zombies in L4D2 with melee. At least, they gib like they were headshot.

Kep

I forgot about l4d2, your right they do gib like they've been head shoted, although it might not recognize a difference in damage dealt as a melee weapon kills no matter where you hit them.

[frikazoyd]

Do they gib if you hit them in other places?

Also it's probably worth mentioning, the L4D2 engine is vastly different than the source engine. It's feasible they did some fixing to get it to work that way. I'm just saying I think we ran into a dead end even trying to prove that the head hitbox was even being hit.

[Wazanator]

Do they gib if you hit them in other places?



Depends what item. Blunt = no blade= yes. It is worth mentioning that some blunt items can knock a zombies head off

[SotaPoika]

Depends what item. Blunt = no blade= yes. It is worth mentioning that some blunt items can knock a zombies head off

Just saying that in L4D2, commons get head gibbed off with baseball bat or cricket bat when you hit their head.

[EArkham]

They have a pretty involved gib set up in L4D2. Zombies will gib in different ways depending on where and how you hit them. When they get set on fire, they stagger around and collapse. Headshots with any weapons gib the heads, shooting them in the back blow holes in their backs, you can shoot or chop off arms and legs, etc.

I read somewhere that they do the gibs with boolean objects, placing a roundish "null model" on the zombie, then placing a bloody gib model in the gap. Which gives them the freedom to gib all the common zombies the same way, no matter their skin or model detail.

But yeah, good point about the source engine being pretty significantly changed for L4D2. I think it's also a lot more efficient cause it seems like you can get a TON more props and NPCs in view for the same fps on an older source game.


Kep

[IIIsergyIII]

ZPS + graphics and physics l4d = super cool game

[Wafflewarrior7]

ZPS + graphics and physics l4d = super cool game

hell na, zps+ Graphics and physics l4d + good animations= The best zombie shooter of 2010-11

[Wazanator]

ZPS + Amazing graphics + Amazing animations + single player = Contagion

[Tatsur0]

ZPS + Amazing graphics + Amazing animations + single player = Contagion

Keep that in mind. :)

Tats...

[papermilk]

Is the update coming out on Halloween?

[Wafflewarrior7]

Is the update coming out on Halloween?

Sorry bud, but I already asked that, and its a 'no'. But hey, its halloween! maybe they'll give us a media update!!

[Corporal Hicks]

I hope we will see the update before the end of this year :mellow:

[Wafflewarrior7]

I hope we will see the update before the end of this year :mellow:

me too.

[ZombieHeathLedger]

Yeah, give us something today.

[frikazoyd]

Yeah, give us something today.

Whose fault is it that you thought anything was coming in the first place?

[Wazanator]

I don't remember anyone saying anything about an update or more sneak peaks.

[ZombieHeathLedger]

With a current and still very active game that's themed relates to the current holiday and on top of the teasing that has been going on with an update - You would expect it.

- Not implying anyone is lazy - I'd be content with a "Happy Halloween" on the front page and maybe an update on the actual update.

[Daimyo]

With a current and still very active game that's themed relates to the current holiday and on top of the teasing that has been going on with an update - You would expect it.

- Not implying anyone is lazy - I'd be content with a "Happy Halloween" on the front page and maybe an update on the actual update.

Same of course.. I was expecting something but I am content with nothing because when you do modeling, mapping, any sort of game design, I think you can appreciate the time people dedicate and understand how time consuming it can be.

[Will2Tango]

LOL, They were probably having too much fun playing ZPS! :D

[frikazoyd]

LOL, They were probably having too much fun playing ZPS! :D

Silly, nobody who develops ZPS plays it anymore! Except in playtests.

[vip08]

Silly, nobody who develops ZPS plays it anymore! Except in playtests.

Wow thats sad to hear :(

[frikazoyd]

Wow thats sad to hear :(

If you see anybody in-game whose icon has a red or blue border, those are developers.

[Will2Tango]

Silly, nobody who develops ZPS plays it anymore! Except in playtests.

aaah, well i hope they have as much fun tinkering with it as we do playing it!!
I wonder if we can coax them into playing it with us one day? :brow: Like a 1 day event or something :laugh:

[OkeiDo]

I play it occasionally, I still enjoy it a lot on default and good custom maps :).